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Post by Bjs04f on Jun 17, 2015 10:50:20 GMT -5
emlyceum.com/2015/06/17/syncope-answersA few very interesting take aways: 1- multiple times been told to get a head CT despite saying its low yield, this verifies this 2-ekg alone appear appropriate to negate need for trop as it will be negative if ekg is normal, barring a different diagnosis(PE, Dissection), which I dont use trop to look for anyways 3-orthostatics suck, man so many times has the admitting doc gone but they arent orthostatic how can you tell me theyre dehydrated. It true you look at the pt and go he clearly had orthostatic syncope from volume depletion, but it didnt show on our ED orthos, heres why its sensitivity is on par with D dime for super high risk PE, complete crap. 4- this was interesting, as I have always risk stratified near syncope down with nml walk in exam, but clearly need to rethink it. I like how they describe it on a spectrum from near syncope to arrest, its a good way to think of it.
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Post by Bjs04f on Jun 20, 2015 15:34:16 GMT -5
I am literaly re reading this with my morbidly obese near syncopal lady with early fam history of cad. normal everything but looking at the lady coupled with this article, near syncope may definitely be the harbinger of badness.
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Post by kemple on Jun 21, 2015 20:58:59 GMT -5
I would agree with not getting CT unless focal deficit or concern. I would say that even though the yield is low you would be hard pressed to prove the standard of care doesn't include a set of enzymes especially in the elderly population. That's my 2 cents.
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Post by tyson on Jun 24, 2015 17:09:07 GMT -5
head ct's to me are frustrating. we do them for everything and they are so low yield.
stroke- they blow (unless hemorrhagic). Sensitivity of 40%. syncope- they blow (seriously, what are we looking for?). Run an NIHSS in 1 minute and that will tell you whether you need imaging or not headache- seriously? How many headaches do we CT? ever found a SAH or Mass etc? My guess would be that the SAH, masses that you did have, you KNEW before even doing the CT
elderly, on blood thinners, trauma, all make sense to me.
but "just CT the head" after a syncope drive me nuts.
good article man.
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Post by Bjs04f on Jun 25, 2015 12:10:52 GMT -5
Ct is way over utilized, its such a rare cause of syncope. We love cts though, the interesting thing and i got yelled at at lukes about this was I said its vertigo you wont pick up shit with head ct as it doesnt do posterior well, if you are so worried this is central get the MRI done to appropriately test. CT in vertigo is like using a cxr for ACS, it doesnt work barring a massive bleed in which thered be more than vertigo.
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Post by Bjs04f on Jun 25, 2015 12:20:47 GMT -5
so my thoughts have become near sycnope is more serious than previously thought so dont go eh didnt faint cya, they need to be moved into the syncope category and the big things to eval, ekg as cardiac is common, no ct unless neuro exam dictates its needed
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